{"id":19264,"date":"2019-06-20T15:28:44","date_gmt":"2019-06-20T22:28:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/?p=19264"},"modified":"2019-06-20T15:28:54","modified_gmt":"2019-06-20T22:28:54","slug":"video-web-exclusive-interview-mitch-gallagher","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/2019\/06\/video-web-exclusive-interview-mitch-gallagher\/","title":{"rendered":"Video &#038; Web Exclusive Interview MITCH GALLAGHER"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>Video Feature &amp; Web-Exclusive Interview<br \/>\n<\/strong><br \/>\nMusician: <strong>MITCH GALLAGHER<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Album:<strong><em>Foundation<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/v_06LNNigbQ\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Mitch Gallagher is a guitarist and composer. The tone on his new album <em>Foundation<\/em>is exceptional\u2014a thing of beauty. But this is not simply another guitar album. He has combined guitars and piano with an amazing rhythm section and stellar horns.<\/p>\n<p>Gallagher was introduced to music as a child by his mother\u2014who was herself a child recording artist with her siblings, The Fried Sisters. In grade school he sang in the boys choir and took up trombone, which he played until high school. But his musical life came into focus when he was given a copy of Kiss\u00a0<em>Alive!<\/em>, which led him to take up the guitar at age 15. Armed with a cheap guitar purchased with money earned working at his father&#8217;s plumbing shop, he began teaching himself to play along with the records of the stadium rock heroes of the day. Before long, he and his brother had formed their first rock band, Blitz, in their parents\u2019 garage. Numerous gigs at school dances and parties soon followed.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-19273\" src=\"https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-3.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"660\" height=\"441\" srcset=\"https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-3.jpeg 660w, https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-3-300x200.jpeg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 660px) 100vw, 660px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Gallagher\u2019s graduate studies at the University of Missouri in Kansas City included music composition and classical guitar. He toured as lead guitarist\/vocalist in rock and country bands, and also played with big bands, fusion and experimental music groups, and as a classical and steel-string guitar soloist. His compositions cover genres from classical to experimental to jazz to heavy metal.\u00a0<em>Prophecy #1: At First Glance<\/em>, an experimental percussion ensemble\/synthesizer work based on the Fibonacci number series, received a 1991 NARAS (Grammy) award in the Best New Music\/New Classical category.<\/p>\n<p>As a guitar tone expert and music technology specialist, he teaches college courses, lectures, gives clinics and workshops, consults with pro audio manufacturers, and speaks at festivals, conventions, and conferences around the world. He is a published author of many books. He has been the Editorial Director for Sweetwater since 2005, where he has hosted more than 1,500 videos\u2014artist interviews, product demos, instructional videos, and more. He performs regularly on guitar and vocals with the band Expanding Man.<\/p>\n<p>We talked with Mitch Gallagher about composing music, playing guitar, his musical influences and how he got that amazing tone on his new release\u2014the 5-song EP,\u00a0<em>Foundation<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>MITCH GALLAGHER <\/strong>Interview<br \/>\nwith\u00a0<strong><em>M Music &amp; Musicians<\/em>\u00a0<\/strong>magazine publisher,<strong>Merlin David<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>How did <em>Foundation<\/em>evolve?<\/strong><br \/>\nThis is what I call an \u201copportunity\u201d project. I found out that Keith Carlock (drums), Adam Nitti (bass) and Michael Whittaker (keys)\u2014were coming into Sweetwater Studios for a session. I thought, wouldn\u2019t it be cool to grab those guys and lay down a few tracks? They agreed to come in a day early to track. I figured we could lay down basic tracks for five songs. But I didn\u2019t have any songs ready to go. So for a couple of weeks, I spent every waking minute I wasn\u2019t at work writing. Somehow I got it all done. I was literally printing out the charts for the musicians\u2014minutes before the session. There\u2019s nothing like a deadline to make you productive.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-19272\" src=\"https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-2.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"660\" height=\"564\" srcset=\"https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-2.jpeg 660w, https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-2-300x256.jpeg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 660px) 100vw, 660px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>That\u2019s an amazing group of musicians. Did anyone else help you?<\/strong><br \/>\nI took the basic tracks home and began putting down my \u201ckeeper\u201d guitar parts. I heard my friend Carl Verheyen was going to be at Sweetwater, and I asked him to add guitar to some tracks. We spent maybe two hours laying down his solos and some additional rhythm parts.<\/p>\n<p><strong>We love that this is definitely not a typical guitar album.<\/strong><br \/>\nOne goal I had for this project was not to make it a \u201cguitar\u201d album. I wanted the focus on the songs. I thought adding horns could really help achieve that. My friend John Hinchey, who is an incredible arranger and trombonist from Nashville, put together horn-section arrangements for three of the songs. We went into Ocean Way Studios in Nashville one afternoon, and laid down the horns and Tyler Summers\u2019 sax solos and melodies.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Was that the only studio you used?<\/strong><br \/>\nI got the mixes probably 80% done working on my laptop in Sweetwater\u2019s diner at lunch, in coffee shops, on airplanes, and in hotel rooms, as well as in my home studio. I then took the files into Sweetwater\u2019s Studio C, where I did the final tweaks. There\u2019s very little processing on the final mixes. What you\u2019re hearing is really close to what we captured in the studio. I love that. I was after a final sound that was natural and real\u2014like a band playing in a room.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-19271\" src=\"https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-1.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"660\" height=\"908\" srcset=\"https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-1.jpeg 660w, https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-1-218x300.jpeg 218w, https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-1-300x413.jpeg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 660px) 100vw, 660px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>Who did the mastering?<\/strong><br \/>\nScott Hull from Masterdisk in New York did the mastering. I was adamant about not crushing the mixes or making them too bright or loud. I just don\u2019t care for that sound. I wanted it to really breathe with dynamics that are faithful to what the musicians played. No one has complained that it isn\u2019t loud enough, so I guess everyone knows you can simply turn up the volume control to make it louder.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Is there one song you are especially glad made it onto this album?<\/strong><br \/>\nOne song that I feared might not get recorded was \u201cFinch Food\u201d\u2014a funky tune that goes off on various tangents. Someone once described it as \u201cJames Brown meets Frank Zappa.\u201d It\u2019s not <em>that<\/em>crazy, but it is challenging. It goes through a lot of time signatures and tempo changes, but I didn\u2019t want them to be obvious or jarring. I wanted it to flow, with the listener unaware of what was going on in the infrastructure. I was afraid it might take too long to put it together given the time we had for the session. It\u2019s a testament to the players that they could get that piece tracked in a couple of takes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>This album could be called <em>Tonality<\/em>\u2014the sounds you got were exceptional. We loved how you combined guitars and piano with a kicking rhythm section and stellar horns. What was the key to making that all come together so well?<\/strong><br \/>\nThank you. I worship at the altar of great sound quality, and I worked hard to get the sounds. I was actually approached by a manufacturer of high-end studio monitors, asking if they could use the mixes as demo material for their speakers at trade shows. There are several key elements:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Capture great sounds in the room, at the source.<\/li>\n<li>Listen with a microscope and cleanup everything you can.<\/li>\n<li>Arrange and mix carefully\u2014each part has to live in its own part of the frequency spectrum and the stereo field.<\/li>\n<li>I use a spotlight approach to mixing: at any given point, one\u2014and only one\u2014thing has the focus.<\/li>\n<li>Rather than mixing to the lowest common denominator (low-quality earbuds), I mixed to sound great on the best audiophile system.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-19270\" src=\"https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-4.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"660\" height=\"440\" srcset=\"https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-4.jpeg 660w, https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-4-300x200.jpeg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 660px) 100vw, 660px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>The simplicity of \u201cWhite Iris\u201d is especially amazing.<\/strong><br \/>\n\u201cWhite Iris\u201d is one of my favorites, in part because it came out so different from how I originally envisioned it. I had a much more dense and layered guitar arrangement in mind. But when Michael Whittaker played the piano part, it was just so beautiful. I knew that if I forced additional guitar parts in there, it wouldn\u2019t have the same vibe. So, and this was the hard part, I kicked my ego to the curb and took myself off the track, except for doubling the melody with the sax and playing a solo. Hard as it was to cut literally all of my rhythm guitar parts, it was the right call to make.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What insight did these amazing top-level musicians bring to your music that helped you expand the interpretation of these songs ?<\/strong><br \/>\nIt was an awe-inspiring experience working with musicians who play on that level. We chose a song, ran it down once, talked about it, then started recording it. We never did more than two takes for a song. What you hear on the CD is a complete first or second take. I can remember only two or three places where we went back and punched in to fix someone\u2019s mistake. That was it. Basic tracks, finished.<\/p>\n<p><strong>How did you choose the musicians?<\/strong><br \/>\nI\u2019m a bit of a control freak, and what I learned is to let go. When you have musicians like that, let them do what they do. I mean, seriously, I\u2019m going to tell Keith Carlock what he should play on the drums? The whole point of hiring someone for a session is to let them contribute what it is that they do, and that you can\u2019t do yourself. Just give them a map, discuss the vibe you want, and sit back and enjoy as they make it better than you can imagine it being.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-19269\" src=\"https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-5.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"660\" height=\"988\" srcset=\"https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-5.jpeg 660w, https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-5-200x300.jpeg 200w, https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-5-300x449.jpeg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 660px) 100vw, 660px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>How were you able to let go?<\/strong><br \/>\nI also learned that I don\u2019t have to do everything myself. Mark Hornsby is a world-class recording engineer. John Hinchey is a great horn arranger. Scott Hull is a top mastering engineer. Even though I <em>can<\/em>do those jobs, that doesn\u2019t mean I <em>should<\/em>. Letting those guys do what they do so well\u2014allowed me to focus on the music.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Who originally inspired you to compose music?<\/strong><br \/>\nI don\u2019t know if it was so much a \u201cwho\u201d as it was a \u201cwhat.\u201d I dabbled a bit in writing little songs here and there for some of my early bands. But I really started writing music when I went back to college after being on the road with bands, and took recording classes. I got a little drum machine and synth, and started writing music that I could record in the studio. That\u2019s also where I developed my recording and music technology chops, and where I started building my studio rig\u2014all of which has led to so many great things for me through the years.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What composing\/songwriting tip would you like to offer?<\/strong><br \/>\n\u201cSubtractive arranging\u201d is my approach to composing\u2014it\u2019s similar to how many book authors work. Basically, you separate the composing and editing\/revising\/fixing stages into two parts. When you\u2019re composing, let yourself be free\u2014no second guessing, no editing, no fixing. Turn off and ignore those complaints, uncertainties and critics in your head who say, \u201cThat\u2019s not good enough\u201d or \u201cYou need to fix that.\u201d Then, when you\u2019re done composing, go back with a rational, editor\u2019s approach and start peeling away things that aren\u2019t necessary, that don\u2019t further the song. I\u2019m ruthless at this stage. Everything is fair game to be cut. Of course, it\u2019s easier said than done. (<em>Laughs<\/em>) But developing the ability to let go of being precious about your ideas really is the key.<\/p>\n<p><strong>How do you start the writing process?<\/strong><br \/>\nAt the most basic, I only need a guitar to write. I don\u2019t record anything until later in the process. I find that if an idea is good, I\u2019ll remember it. If I can\u2019t remember it\u2014it probably wasn\u2019t that great to begin with.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-19268\" src=\"https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-6.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"660\" height=\"440\" srcset=\"https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-6.jpeg 660w, https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-6-300x200.jpeg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 660px) 100vw, 660px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>What instruments\/equipment can you not live without?<\/strong><br \/>\nOnce I have a solid idea, I\u2019ll take it to PreSonus Studio One, which has awesome tools for writing and arranging. I used Toontrack EZdrummer and EZkeys as the basis for my demos, and recorded guitar direct\u2014using an amp-simulator plug-in. Then I moved the tempo map, etc., over to Pro Tools for the actual tracking sessions\u2014because that\u2019s what the studios used.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Which Top 5 Musicians\u00a0inspired you to become a musician?<\/strong><br \/>\nThe first record I heard that really made me want to play was Kiss\u2014the <em>Alive!<\/em>album [1975]. I started playing guitar when I was around 15, at the height of the stadium-rock 70s. I\u2019d get home after school and immediately crank my guitar and start jamming with Ted Nugent. People may only know him for his politics today, but back in the day, he was huge. Rush and Boston. When I discovered Eddie Van Halen, it was all over.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What are your Top 5 favorite albums of all time?<\/strong><br \/>\nI tend to listen based on the mood or phase I\u2019m in. So my answer might be totally different tomorrow. But if I was going to a desert island, and only had room for six (see how I slipped an extra one in there, before anyone noticed), these would be in there. And I\u2019d figure out a way to sneak in a couple of hundred more:<\/p>\n<p><em>Last Nite<\/em>(1986) \u2013 Larry Carlton<br \/>\n<em>Aerial Boundaries<\/em>(1984) \u2013 Michael Hedges (or <em>Live on the Double Planet<\/em>, 1987)<br \/>\n<em>Champagne Jam<\/em>(1978) \u2013 Atlanta Rhythm Section<br \/>\n<em>Live at Rockpalast<\/em>(2014) \u2013 Robben Ford (or <em>Talk to Your Daughter<\/em>, 1988)<br \/>\n<em>Van Halen<\/em>(1978) \u2013 Van Halen (tough call, but probably this first record)<br \/>\n<em>Ah Via Musicom<\/em>(1990) \u2013Eric Johnson<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-19267\" src=\"https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-7.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"660\" height=\"592\" srcset=\"https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-7.jpeg 660w, https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-7-300x269.jpeg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 660px) 100vw, 660px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>Do you remember the first time you heard one of your songs in a public format?<\/strong><br \/>\nWhen I was in college, I had an opportunity to write music that ended up being used in a recruiting film for the school\u2019s football team. I still remember how exciting it was to watch the video (VHS cassette) and hear my music in the film. That was one of those moments where I thought, \u201cThis is so great, I want more of this!\u201d and was a big part of my decision to go on to study music composition.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tell us a \u201cpinch me\u201d moment when you said \u201c<em>Wow, this is really happening to me!<\/em>\u201d<\/strong><br \/>\nIt was spread over two nights: Robben Ford\u2014one of my all-time favorite guitarists\u2014was recording at Sweetwater. I had done an interview with Robben in the afternoon for a video. But unbeknownst to me, my amazing wife, Fe, secretly arranged for and surprised me with a private guitar lesson and dinner with Robben that evening, which was mind-blowing. How cool is that?<\/p>\n<p><strong>What\u2019s the other pinch me moment?<\/strong><br \/>\nThe next night, some friends were playing a gig at a local bar, and Robben came out to sit in. I was able to get up at the gig and sing with Robben and the band. Those two nights were surreal, bucket-list moments I\u2019ll never forget.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-19266\" src=\"https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-8.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"660\" height=\"434\" srcset=\"https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-8.jpeg 660w, https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-8-300x197.jpeg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 660px) 100vw, 660px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>What Performing Rights Organization are you with?<\/strong><br \/>\nI\u2019m a BMI member. I hate to admit it, but I really haven\u2019t taken advantage of what they have to offer.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What is the best advice someone has given you?<\/strong><br \/>\nI was talking to Carl Verheyen during the mixing stage of <em>Foundation<\/em>, and lamenting how long the project was taking, and how it can be hard to know when art is finished. He said, \u201cGet it done. Put it out so you can get on to the next project. This is a document of where you are right now. Do it as well as you can, learn from it, and do even better on the next one.\u201d Great advice for a perfectionist like me.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What\u2019s next?<\/strong><br \/>\nDefinitely another album or EP. I had so much fun doing this project\u2014I can\u2019t wait to start the next one. The question is\u2014what to do? I have a bunch more songs in the vein of what\u2019s on <em>Foundation<\/em>. But I have also studied classical guitar for many years, and would like to do an album of that material. And, I have around 25 fingerstyle steel-string guitar solo instrumentals that I\u2019d like to record. And, I\u2019ve been talking with the vocalist of a well-known group about doing an album together. I\u2019ve got enough to keep me busy for a long time.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What\u2019s the best place for new fans to stay updated?<\/strong><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.mitchgallagher.com\/\">www.MitchGallagher.com<\/a>, and my Facebook page. Also, stay tuned for new things on my YouTube page.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-19265\" src=\"https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-9.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"660\" height=\"379\" srcset=\"https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-9.jpeg 660w, https:\/\/mmusicmag.com\/m\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Mitch-Gallagher-9-300x172.jpeg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 660px) 100vw, 660px\" \/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Video Feature &amp; Web-Exclusive Interview Musician: MITCH GALLAGHER Album:Foundation Mitch Gallagher is a guitarist and composer. The tone on his new album Foundationis exceptional\u2014a thing of beauty. But this is not simply another guitar album. He has combined guitars and piano with an amazing rhythm section and stellar horns. 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